| magicdragon2 ( @ 2005-07-14 13:18:00 |
Highlights on my postings on Others' blogs
Posted by Jonathan Vos Post to Michael Berube's blog
http://www.michaelberube.com/index.p hp/weblog/comments/678/
in response to his reply to Mark Bauerlein’s short
essay on Theory’s Empire
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When I say something akin to "When someone says that
the set of all correctly transmitted and understood
messages is a subset of all imaginable messages that
can be incorrectly transmitted or misunderstood, such
that misunderstanding is the condition of possibility
of understanding," I am not making "a deconstructive
move." I cite the inventor of Information Theory, the
man who named the Bit, Claude Shannon, with whom I had
profound conversations. The probability that EVERY one
of N letters gets delivered to one of the wrong N
people becomes, in the limit of large N, precisely 1/e
where e is the base of the natural logarithms. Sokol
made an important point that there are deep structures
in the universe, whether you consider them Physics or
Mathematics, which are NOT mere social constructs
(although Physics and Mathematics are, for us, social
processes by imperfect people). Whether or not you
believe in a Platonic Ideal, it is foolish to believe
that there is NO external universe, and NO laws
without polotical contingency. You can't legislate
"pi" to be 3, and not be a fool. You can't legislate
away the law of Universal Gravitation. You can't
eliminate the Law of Supply and Demand by fiat. If you
think so, you are not a Theorist. You are a
Solipsist. In which case, why are you reading MY
posting?
Posted by Jonathan Vos Post on 07/13 at 09:01 PM
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Actually, I understand that the state of Indiana
legislated the value of pi as 3.3. You wouldn’t
believe the circles they have there.
Posted by Lee on 07/13 at 09:19 PM
==========
People have been getting that wrong for a long time.
1 Kings 7:23 in the King James Version states, “And
[Solomon] made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one
brim to the other: it was round all about, and his
height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits
did compass it round about”. 2 Chronicles 4:2 states
that the object was “round in compass” and that a line
of 30 cubits “did compass it round about”. 30 cubits
divided by 10 cubits for a shape “round in compass”
(i.e. circular) means that, since pi is the ratio of a
circle’s circumference to its diameter, pi = 3.0000.
Does that mean that the laws of geometry have changed
since the days of the Old Testament, or in the state
of Indiana? I think not. I think that the text must
be understood in the context of all possible texts, in
a lawful universe, which includes errors and
unreliable narrators. If the authors/editors of Kings
or Chronicles told us that a circle was 355 cubits
around and 113 cubits across, I’d know that they did
the same Math as the Chinese mathematician and
astronomer Zu Chongzhi did in the 5th century. I would
not deconstruct the ethnicities and relative political
systems of the Far East and Middle East. Only in Eric
Blair’s Room 101 is 2 + 2 = 5, and that took torture.
Posted by Jonathan Vos Post on 07/13 at 11:18 PM
Posted by Jonathan Vos Post to Michael Berube's blog
http://www.michaelberube.com/index.p
in response to his reply to Mark Bauerlein’s short
essay on Theory’s Empire
=========
When I say something akin to "When someone says that
the set of all correctly transmitted and understood
messages is a subset of all imaginable messages that
can be incorrectly transmitted or misunderstood, such
that misunderstanding is the condition of possibility
of understanding," I am not making "a deconstructive
move." I cite the inventor of Information Theory, the
man who named the Bit, Claude Shannon, with whom I had
profound conversations. The probability that EVERY one
of N letters gets delivered to one of the wrong N
people becomes, in the limit of large N, precisely 1/e
where e is the base of the natural logarithms. Sokol
made an important point that there are deep structures
in the universe, whether you consider them Physics or
Mathematics, which are NOT mere social constructs
(although Physics and Mathematics are, for us, social
processes by imperfect people). Whether or not you
believe in a Platonic Ideal, it is foolish to believe
that there is NO external universe, and NO laws
without polotical contingency. You can't legislate
"pi" to be 3, and not be a fool. You can't legislate
away the law of Universal Gravitation. You can't
eliminate the Law of Supply and Demand by fiat. If you
think so, you are not a Theorist. You are a
Solipsist. In which case, why are you reading MY
posting?
Posted by Jonathan Vos Post on 07/13 at 09:01 PM
==========
Actually, I understand that the state of Indiana
legislated the value of pi as 3.3. You wouldn’t
believe the circles they have there.
Posted by Lee on 07/13 at 09:19 PM
==========
People have been getting that wrong for a long time.
1 Kings 7:23 in the King James Version states, “And
[Solomon] made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one
brim to the other: it was round all about, and his
height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits
did compass it round about”. 2 Chronicles 4:2 states
that the object was “round in compass” and that a line
of 30 cubits “did compass it round about”. 30 cubits
divided by 10 cubits for a shape “round in compass”
(i.e. circular) means that, since pi is the ratio of a
circle’s circumference to its diameter, pi = 3.0000.
Does that mean that the laws of geometry have changed
since the days of the Old Testament, or in the state
of Indiana? I think not. I think that the text must
be understood in the context of all possible texts, in
a lawful universe, which includes errors and
unreliable narrators. If the authors/editors of Kings
or Chronicles told us that a circle was 355 cubits
around and 113 cubits across, I’d know that they did
the same Math as the Chinese mathematician and
astronomer Zu Chongzhi did in the 5th century. I would
not deconstruct the ethnicities and relative political
systems of the Far East and Middle East. Only in Eric
Blair’s Room 101 is 2 + 2 = 5, and that took torture.
Posted by Jonathan Vos Post on 07/13 at 11:18 PM